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Gad Saad on Empathy without a Stopping Point

Gad Saad, Evolutionary behavioral scientist; author, Suicidal Empathy: Dying to Be Kind / / 1:34

Well-modulated empathy is a perfectly rational virtue for humans to possess.

Video: Middle East Forum, Middle East Forum Podcast, September 28, 2026. Captions file (VTT)

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MEF speech-to-text, word-timed; edited only to withhold private names and to correct misheard public names, in square brackets. Timecodes are source time; each opens the source at that second.

  1. 2:32Cancer cells divide and healthy cells divide.
  2. 2:37The only difference between the two is that the former have unchecked cell division.
  3. 2:42They don't have a stopping mechanism for the division to stop.
  4. 2:47Now, why is that related to the distinction between empathy and suicidal empathy?
  5. 2:51Well-modulated empathy is a perfectly rational virtue for humans to possess.
  6. 2:58We are a social species, therefore, we interact with each other.
  7. 3:01For you and I, Laurie, to have a meaningful conversation, I need to put myself in
  8. 3:05your mind and vice versa. That's called cognitive empathy or theory of mind.
  9. 3:10So there is nothing wrong with well-calibrated empathy.
  10. 3:14Suicidal empathy, though, does something akin to what cancer cells do.
  11. 3:19It hyper fires in the wrong situations towards the wrong targets.
  12. 3:26Once that rational empathetic module is gained, it
  13. 3:33becomes suicidally, uh, you know, faulty.
  14. 3:37Now... And let, let me draw another very quick reference.
  15. 3:40Aristotle, several thousand years ago, explained through his golden mean the idea
  16. 3:46that too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good, and much
  17. 3:50of life is about finding that sweet spot, that golden mean.
  18. 3:53That exact principle applies to empathy versus suicidal empathy.
  19. 3:58No empathy renders me a psychopath.
  20. 4:01Too much empathy towards the wrong targets makes me suicidally empathetic.

Views expressed are the speaker's own.